Posted by Larry Littlefield on Tue May 8 19:11:51 2001, in response to Re: Where does "Upstate New York" begin?, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon May 7 22:57:52 2001.
(Using county lines to demarcate CMSA's is necessarily somewhat imprecise. Development and commuting patterns, not to mention spheres of economic influence, frequently don't follow county lines.)
I agree, and perhaps that's why Dutchess and Orange can be considered Upstate or Downstate depending on how you look at it. "Downstate" continues to spread, however.